The public sentiment is predominantly negative, with strong emotions directed towards Israel's leadership, particularly Netanyahu, for perpetuating violence and failing to pursue genuine peace efforts. Many commenters advocate for Palestinian rights and express frustration over the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, calling for justice and accountability from Israel. The divide in opinions reflects deep skepticism towards the negotiations, which many perceive as insincere.

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Netanyahu

Sounds like the usual setback. Israel doesn’t want an end to the genocide.

OdielSax

agelessdope

I think there is enough pressure from Qatar via the US that Hamas may capitulate.  There are signals in Qatar, where they have disarmed Hamas leadership in their country and put forward their proposal which Israel has accepted, that they are no longer willing to support Hamas as a resistance instrument.

Iran is not in a position to help rearm Hamas.  In Israel, Lapid has moved to join the coalition that Smotrich and Gvir are threatening to blow up which removes their power.  

Hebron has put a proposal forward where their local leadership will acknowledge Israel and join the Abraham accords.

Everything is lining up.  Please Allah/Jesus/Hashem.. let it be so.

PotentialIcy3175

Didn’t know people being genocided can have terms for ending the genocide and terms for the releasing of the genociders hostages. Thats a first. 

Popular-Citron6396

This is the same as it’s always been. Hamas is demanding too much ransom for the hostages.

manhattanabe

Or they can give back the hostages. Simple.

bansheedriver

Negotiations are tough when you’ve lost.

arrogant_ambassador

10 hostages only? How about all the hostages, hamas surrender?

Musclenervegeek

Yes it usually is difficult to negotiate when you've lost a war, all your allies have been knocked out of the war, the people supplying you with weapons have lost a war and tens of thousands of your militants are dead fighting a force that outnumbered them 8:1 from the start.

Substantial-Newt7809

It's to bad that hamas hates palestinians more than anyone.

giggitygigaty

Lol, do they expect Israel to release 1000 Hamas members in return

ProximatePenguin

it seems hezbollah &amp; iran love their people more than hamas do to theirs. hezbollah/lebanon decided to signed that ceasefire agreement even if it's disadvantageous to them. iran ignored israel's bye bye plane so that the war would stop. i don't understand why the eu &amp; un are so adamant in protecting the status quo. can't they see how the status quo is not good for the region? hatred is so potent that if hamas stays and do oct 7 once again, i think israel would just kill every gazan living in the area.

Dangerous-Cry1785

The problem is that Hamas can never release all the hostages. No matter what is offered.. because that's their only leverage. Without hostages they have no way to influence events at all

stayfrosty

Next-Moose-9129

That might just be all they have left to bargain with because the rest are dead.

Successful_Gas_5122

What happened to tRump threats about releasing hostages…must have been too hard, got bored, or just couldn’t do it.  Like the Mexico to pay for the wall, getting Ukraine to surrender in 24 hours, having COVID just fade away, finish the infrastructure bill, etc.

Silver_Elk_7953

50 % of the population in Gaza are 17 and younger and 43.5% are children 13 or younger, this is the population Israel are placing in these camps.

warsongN17

This sub and Harris will endorse concentration camps and ethnic cleansing as long as the victims are Muslims. 

1) it’s Hamas fault 
2) human shields 
3) Islam is a death cult 

Just repeating these mantras to allow them to endorse “final solutions” and concentration camps. 

Someone will probably accuse me of downplaying WWII atrocities for using the word “concentration camp” even though that’s what this is.

Sam’s greatest concern will be that if he endorses this it makes him appear “tribal” so he will write substack posts saying he’s not tribal and if you say he is it’s very unfair actually, not logical, bad faith interlocutor etc etc.

Any_Platypus_1182

Here's Harris' compelling argument in response to that:
"On Jihadism, I'm to the right of Netanyahu."

PerformancePrimary70

I find it amusing this group is complaining so much.  Literally the most moral thing Israel could have been is to have built something like this say in the Negev in Oct 2023 and directed the entire civillian population there.  Would have saved countless lives because Gaza could then be bombed without all the civillian death.

meister2983

I get that Sam doesn't put out a ton of content anymore, but has this place just evolved into another place for the pro-Palestinian crowd to astroturf their talking points?

greenw40

It's never been just Netanyahu.

But, on the other hand, it's never been unanimous. Those dissenting reservists petitioning the supreme court are a good start, but I'd implore all people of good conscience in the IDF to refuse orders, and within broader Israeli society to work towards a mass movement aimed at resisting and/or toppling the regime.

atrovotrono

It's the absolute hypocrisy to me that's astounding.  The values he's espoused in the past - affirmation of universal human rights, opposition to religious fanaticism and terrorism (Zionism + IDF) just go right out the window when it comes to Israel.  

Painting women and children being slaughtered in Gaza as 'jihadists', the refusal to speak with a single Palestinian or genocide scholar on his podcast, holding a position that stands in opposition to the findings of every major human rights organization in the WORLD including IN ISRAEL, the refusal to engage with the endless documented atrocities (WCK workers bombed, PRC medics executed and bulldozed, Hind Rajab, mass starvation, indiscriminate bombing, countless videos of disfigured and dismembered babies etc etc etc) or the fact that Israel doesn't let any international journalists into Gaza (even Piers Morgan understands how fucked this is).

phozee

They could return hostages and hand over Hamas. That would work too

warcraftnerd1980

Far-Background-565

GirlsGetGoats

they are referring to this as the "final solution" to the Gaza problem

Bluest_waters

cryptodog11

The IDF is damned if they do, damned if they don't. 

Lots of bogus claims of "genocide" at hands of Israelis, but here we have an example of the military trying to establish a humanitarian corridor / compound (pending a ceasefire)... and this is somehow interpreted as a worse outcome?

inshane

This will be more of a shit-show than their exclusive aid corridor

Ychip

If it actually matter what sam harris thinks about a massive population transfer he discusses it on his decoding the gurus crossover pod.

Imaginary_Midnight

Two decades ago, when it became clear that Palestinians decided there was only room for one, the next question became: "Who's that one going to be?" and the process of making that happen was going to be ugly.

The best option would be a two state solution with a Jewish state and a Palestinian state roughly along the Green Line. But the Israelis just don't believe they'll get any kind of lasting peace this way. 

If you don't believe me, may I suggest going on Palestinian subreddits or r/Islam and making the case to them for a two state solution with a Jewish-majority Israel and a Palestinian state? I'm curious to see what kind of reaction you'll get.

MichaelEmouse

You people demand Israel keep Palestinian civilians safe and fed, yet call every solution other than Israel's unconditional surrender "ethnic cleansing", "population transfers", or "concentration camps".

Holding and building safe zones was literally the Petraeus strategy.

Chortling that these are "concentration camps" isn't the intellectual chess move you think it is.

spaniel_rage

All very predictable. Palestinians are being wiped off the map

Ordinary_Bend_8612

The Palestinian population remaining in Gaza is clearly untenable, so I'm absolutely in support of this. Get the Gazan populace away from Hamas's underground terror network and this whole situation becomes much easier and less dangerous to manage.

DarthLeon2

IDF chief of staff is kkhhamas. 
Israeli media reports are blood libel. 
Donald Trump is courageous.
Ignorance is strength.

81forest

What argument could Harris POSSIBLY bring, ~dramatic swoon~?

Search this sub’s extensive analyses of the Arab-Israeli conflicts and you’ll find plenty of explanations for why Israel is increasingly heavy-handed when dealing with groups of Arabs that want to kill them all, and who have wanted to kill them all, since prior to the founding of modern Israel.

The fact that you can’t comprehend their perspective, or the necessity for these harsh measures is an indictment of YOUR personal privilege, which ought to be checked and weighed if you want your criticisms of Israel to have any real standing in debates about this topic.

Small_Brained_Bear

Fuck Hamas. They need to go for there to ever be peace..

StrangerFew2424

It's gonna work this time guys, I just know it.

AdeptFelix

They're not gonna be allowed to hold ceremonies as part of the deal cos last time they turned it into a victory parade and celebrated the death of a child they had murdered 

Normal-Ear-5757

lol this ceasefire will go as well as negotiating one with Putin

Died_Of_Dysentery1

No negotiations with terrorists.  Hamas must cease to exist so it can no longer promote kidnapping, rape, murder and terror.

abc123DohRayMe

I see no reason for Israel to stop until Hamas has unconditionally surrender and returned all hostages. 

Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the civilian population.

Ilikevegetablesalot

Just give the hostages back, and all the suffering will be over.


Just give the hostages back, and there will be an end to the horror.


That Lord Humongous, such a great speaker.

I'd have more belief in Baron Harkonnen to actually keep the word and end the war through negotiations, only way how I see this conflict ending with chance for peace is Hamas unanimously surrendering, letting ALL hostages go and fucking the hell off out of existence instead of signing another ceasefire only to regroup themselves and cause another massacre to blame Israel for sometime later

danoB003

newbyoes

What do they feed you in America that Israel is always right and always innocent. Because whatever it is, it’s complete garbage. Everyone in Israel knows that Netanyahu does not want to end this war because 1) he would have to stand trial in for three separate counts of fraud 2) he would have to explain Qatargate 3) the nation would demand new elections and he would lose. I live in Israel, I am a Zionist, but that does not make me a moronic robot. 

Embarrassed_Eagle533

Ah Israel is the one rejecting and breaking the ceasefires bro.... you need to re-evaluate how you consume news if you seriously believe that. Good Luck.

Sure_Ad_8480

Are you talking of the borders as they are recognized by the International Law and who are still ignored by Israel for decades and decades?

Agg_Ray

This is definitely an upsetting situation that could provoke anger, pain...a whole multitude of things. I agree with you that only placing responsibility on Israel (and not some on Hamas as well) is not necessarily helpful. It seems there is a larger cycle of violence.

However, is Israel trying to deescalate and move towards a solution that minimizes violence? Or are Netanyahu--who actively bolstered Hamas at the expense of the PA--and others like him trying to maximize Israel's military victory and impact because they have an excuse to do so?

Hamas hates Israelis and Likud hates Palestinians--I think these cruel actions are what hate is (the verb, not the noun/feeling). Hamas was wrong, but is Israel trying to establish security in as humane a way as possible, or are some Israeli leaders just feeding into a cycle of violence that hurts everyone more? I think this is a fair discussion question.

Trying2Understand24

Yeah you're talking about 13,000+ children killed afterwards in Gaza, from looking at conservative numbers.  You see they're bombing hospitals, schools. Law enforcement is not indiscriminately killing children and civilians. 

WorkingBrilliant3687

Tell that to all the dead children you sick fuck

Evening-Shoe8233

thatshirtman

Hamas’s October 7th attack was horrific. That was a war crime, no question. But that event didn’t happen in a vacuum. Gaza has been under a blockade by Israel (and Egypt) since 2007, that’s 17 years of restricted movement, economic strangulation, and control over what gets in and out. According to the UN, over 80% of Gazans rely on humanitarian aid. That kind of desperation doesn’t excuse terror, but it does help explain how conditions got to this point.

When it comes to “rejecting peace,” history is more complicated than a bullet-point list. The 1947 UN partition plan gave over 55% of the land to a Jewish minority that owned about 7% of it at the time , so yes, Palestinians rejected it. But would you accept losing more than half your country to a plan you weren’t even part of drafting? In 2000 and 2008, offers were made, but they didn’t include full sovereignty, control over borders, water, or a fair resolution to refugees , key issues for Palestinians. It's not rejection for the sake of chaos , it's rejection of deals seen as deeply unequal.

As for using civilians as shields ,that’s a serious allegation, and sometimes it’s been true. But Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. When you live in a place where everything is close to a civilian area, almost any military action will affect civilians. According to the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem, the IDF has killed thousands of civilians in Gaza since 2008, including large numbers of women and children. That’s not just “Hamas’s fault.” Precision warfare doesn’t mean innocent people don’t die , and it’s not unreasonable to question the scale of destruction, especially when entire neighborhoods are leveled.

And about UNRWA , Israeli officials themselves relied on UNRWA for years as a stabilizing force. If there are cases where individuals abused their role, investigate and hold them accountable. But shutting down aid to 2 million people because of the alleged actions of a few isn’t justice , it’s collective punishment.

You mentioned stipends to prisoners ,many of those receiving aid are accused of things like stone-throwing or non-lethal resistance. There’s debate in Palestinian society itself about that system, but it’s not simply “rewarding terrorism.” Meanwhile, billions in U.S. military aid go to Israel annually, and there’s been little accountability for its use in bombings that have hit schools, refugee camps, or aid convoys.

And yes, Hezbollah and Hamas are designated terror groups. But lumping in every pro-Palestinian voice, protester, or aid worker with “terror supporters” is dangerous and dishonest. That’s how legitimate dissent gets shut down, not how democracies function.

Bottom line: justice does require talking about cause and effect ,but for both sides. Selectively applying that logic while ignoring long-term occupation, displacement, and blockades only fuels more anger and more violence. If we want peace, we have to stop pretending that one side has a monopoly on suffering or legitimacy.

Redevil1987

what a completely f***** up way to justify killing babies. you make me sick.

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"Invades a sovereign country": this is the country that's been illegally occupying them since 1967, according to the recent ICJ ruling. You make it sound like they're invading Argentina or something.

Minskdhaka

tit for tat isn't an appropriate way to view what is happening in Gaza. Israel has every right to defend itself; It does not have the right to commit war crimes. 

people always invoke "nuance" to assume the the cachet of being informed when, in fact, the legal parameters of war are clearly defined. This -- *"If we’re going to talk about justice, we have to talk about cause and effect"* \-- has no legal standing when the two sides have such divergent ideas of what, exactly, "justice" is. 

And I resent the fact you are trying to lump 'disproprortionate' and 'unprovoked' together. Unprovoked? Absolutely not. Disproportionate? Absolutely, as legally defined by the UN, ICC, etc.

apieceofhistory

The reaction to Oct. 7 wasn’t unprovoked, but it was certainly disproportionate. Dropping millions of tons of explosives on people’s homes and basic services in Gaza and killing tens of thousands of civilians is not how we get rid of terrorists and free hostages.

Humorous_forest

“Some seem to only apply it selectively. Anyways here’s all the reasons Palestine is the bad guy and Israel is the good guy!” lmao

ABMAnty1234

&gt;When militants store weapons in schools, launch rockets from densely populated areas, and use hospitals as bases they make civilian casualties inevitable and then weaponize the outrage.

If you ask people *why* its a warcrime to do these things the general response is "It doesnt give an excuse to hit those things!", which yeah, thats the entire reason its a war crime. It does allow it.

Firecracker048

What is there to understand? Israel's regime is one dedicated to fascistically ethnically cleansing and genociding Palestinians and they're doing it as we speak with the support of a modern industrial military on a defenseless group of people. Genocide is not an understandable response to resistance of generation-to-generation military occupation and apartheid. End of story.

Rare_Deer_9594

i know one thing the american response would have been far worse than anything israel has done, the russians would have been far more ruthless, israel fights hamass under the marquis of queenberry rules other countries would say screw the rules

LongjumpingEye8519

I think the decision by Zionists and western leaders in 1940s to take another peoples land by force was the first trigger. 

It worked in the US and AUS and CAN etc because back then we didn’t have globalisation and internet and international bodies aimed at stopping such things. 

Now we all pay the price. Jews, Muslims, western tax payers. All of us.

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